Corsetry Aesthetics

I got carried away and went on a bit of a rant on the "dom boss" forum earlier today - sorry about that Ms. Miranda!

Aarkeybabble : Cathie Jung - tight-laced in her corset down to just 15 inchesNow before I get all rolling along, just to be clear - this is all just my opinion. There isn't any right or wrong about it, it's just how I feel about it. And while I do feel a little ratty about this, like I'm making fun of George Washington's teeth or something, I feel compelled to give my opinion - after all it is my blog. Now, in case you didn't know already, I'm a corset fetishist who knows a thing or two about what it's like to waist train. And I'm also a bit of a corset snob. I like what I like, and some corset styles are ones that I simply do not like - for instance I prefer the slowly sloping wasp shape, and I don't like the hourglass, nor a pipe-stem - it's really that simple. The fact that it is much easier to lace down to a lower number "smallest point" on your waist with an hourglass style so it a favorite among the body mod extremists.

And with what I'm going to say, if the Jungs take offense to this, (or any one else for that matter) - I deeply apologize for it - it is not my intention. I wish to make a comment on the shape and not the individual. From everything I have ever read or heard the Jungs are both very upstanding and lovely people. And I've never heard anything about Lilly, but she's probably very nice and lovely too.

Now, normally I keep rather hush about it, because in some ways I feel that criticizing someone else, especially for their looks, is simply rude. In some ways, saying "I don't like your figure" is much like saying "your momma dresses you funny." However, I'm going to make an exception, and in part I'm going to do it because Cathie Jung is a grown up woman. She and her husband have a strong enough sense of self to be very public figures regarding Cathie's corset habits, and she is the Guiness World Record holder.
Aarkeybabble : Corseted waists of all sizes can be lovelyWhile I respect the discipline and dedication that what has been achieved requires, as I am someone who is more interested in the aesthetics I personally find Cathie's look to be entirely unattractive. It might be as simple as the ratio of her figure. Research has shown that men (including those isolated in rain forests) prefer women with a body type that gives about a .7 waist to hip ratio. Many of the biggest sex symbols in history have that ratio - Audrey Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe, Sophia Loren, the Venus de Milo and even Kate Moss. The overall size doesn't seem to matter as much as the balance of the ratio. The theory was that the ratio implies both health and fertility.

What kinda irks me more than anything is that people see Cathie and think that's what corset wearing is all about. And it's not. And because it is so extreme, it discourages corsetry from becoming something that is more mainstream and better understood. One side item that I think adds to the issue, her make up is often so extreme. And I think that further lends itself to the perception of her as absurd, awkward or even comic, rather than tasteful or attractive.

Of course if she weren't so tightly laced, she wouldn't be the world record holder, and maybe she wouldn't be such a focus of the media as a representative of the corset community. Ultimately though, the key is that their goals for corsetting are just different from mine. I believe there are two primary groups that corset fetishists fall into. One group are focused on the body modification aspect, and the other group, the aesthetics. Obviously, the Jungs are very much focused on the body modification group. There are also sub groups, such as those who see it as a bondage item, or focus on the physical sensations - particularly from sudden & extreme lacing.
Aarkeybabble : But just wearing a corset does not guarantee anythingAnyways, that's just my two cents on it. Here's some more:
Corsets can be Guuuuud! & Corsets can be Baaaaad!

Aarkeybabble : Lilli Xene - from busty to balloonyFYI - corsets are far from the only thing that I find myself getting finicky about. While working on this entry I was reminded of a pornographic music styled video I found years ago. It features porn star Lilli Xene in a very tight black leather corset, and some other traditionally fetish and dommy clothes. In the scene she face sits the man, and rides his face so hard that the busk of her corset slams into his nose. I've actually been there and done that, and I suspect you could break someone's nose that way. I definitely got a lump when it happened to me... anyway, while searching for the video I stumbled on assorted pictures of Lilli, and it's clear that she went from being a busty starlet earlier Aarkeybabble : Lilli Xene - using her corset as a weapon in her career to... well... I don't really know what to say. Obviously someone out there thinks that breasts that are twice the size of a human head are attractive. But I just don't get it, I do not get it at all. It looks just silly. Might as well stick two big horns out of your head - simply, it doesn't look human anymore.

Any way, here's the video - it's kinda cute, and kinda hot. It's a pretty crappy video quality and it's a real media file, but for the mid-90s quality it isn't that bad. Lilli-Xene-corset.ram - 4.37 MB

For more information about present day tight-lacers, visit
Cathie Jung: staylace.com gallery & her personal site
Sylphide: her site

Oh and one other thing, Cathie has not had any ribs removed. Cathie had an x-ray done while wearing her corset (and another without it) to show what happens to her body - though the images have been moved into a pay web site. The idea of women having rib removal surgery back in the Victorian times to get into a small corset is just absurd. How deadly was any kind of surgery, and to do it out of vanity? Please. Get a clue. No one that I have ever heard of has done it, though I'm sure if you go on the body mod forums and look you'll find someone, who also has a split tongue, 54FFF boobies and horns in their head. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

9 comments:

Her Majesty's Plaything said...

Hi Aarkey:

Wow! This is a whole new world for me and a bit outside my experience. I like corsets very much as lovely pieces of feminine attire but I have never gotten fetishistic about the whole tight lacing aspect of it. The world record holder (Cathie?) does look a bit freaky.

No chance I could fit into one of those. I would bust all the stays for sure!!!! LOL!! Maybe after a couple of months on weight watchers! I wouldn't mind having one bump into my nose though! ;-)

Best

kbb

Aarkey said...

Thanks for the reply HMP - and they make off the rack corsets up to pretty good sizes, I've seen them as large as a 44" waist.

And I'm sure you can get a custom one to any size, though the high quality fabric and boning needs would definitely make for an increased cost ;)

Either way, trust me... the nose bumping actually can be a bit much. The one time it really happened to me, I thought my nose was broken or perhaps just chipped. In the moment I got lost in it, but for a week after wards I realized it was something I had to be mindful of.

O.K. said...

I never really gave the whole Corsetry Aesthetics a lot of thought. My attitude was always: "hey, that's a corset - that's hot!"

Now I realize just how much there is to know ;-).

But, for what its worth:
World record or not, Cathie looks freaky.

The pictures in "corsetsgood" seem just too tight. I mean the girl on the left and Mitsu and Sylphide... jeez, do they even have any waist? They don't seem anywhere near as "bad" as Cathie, but (to an uneducated eye) a bit too much.
As for the "corsetsbad" - well, it just seems one of those things where hot chicks just don't have to try very hard!

So, I have no idea what wearing a corset is really all about - its just another thing that women can wear to drive guys nuts... as long as we can keep our nose out of the way!

As for Lilli and her 54FFF... not my cup-a-tea, but whatever works.

Aarkey said...

OK: Both of you two made me glad I went on that long discussion about it.

I'm curious, in the corset good picture, do you think 7 of 9 (Jeri Ryan from Star Trek was too tight too? I was pretty sure that the women I picked, especially the far left & right on that shot were going to be more tightly laced than most would prefer. I did that in part because I wanted to demonstrated that I think some tight-lacing can be quite attractive, but I'm a fetishist and more attracted to the many levels of it because of my exposure and interest to corsets.

Aarkey said...

And as to Lilli, I'm 100% with you. I just do not find those kind of huge boobs attractive at all. Though I was only guessing on the 54FF, that was probably accurate enough ;)

There's a woman who lives near me who looks like a size negative 2. She's built like a 12 year old. Except for this HUGE pair of boobs. It's downright comic - but 90% of the men I bring over say "who's that?!?" when they first see her. Then they get to study her a bit more and lose their attraction quickly enough.

*shrug*

Different folks, different strokes I guess.

O.K. said...

No, Jeri Ryan doesn't look "tight" at all... at least not much more than Gwen Stefani in the "corsetbad" pic. To me, anyway.

Aarkey said...

Well, Jeri felt differently. Every season she insisted they redesign her costume and loosen her corset.

Which was a bit disappointing, but it wasn't like I was watching it anymore. Once they made Klingons part of the Federation the show became way to huggy feel good touchy for my tastes.

Space Western Cold War style, now *THAT* was a series! :)

Anonymous said...

I love corsets. I love tight lacing-Always have. No matter how much I research the garment and practice there will always be that mystery to it ... there in lies what it is to be human ... and the human “you” are at that. I like the fact you like corsets and that's lead to me to your blog.

Now why am I writing. Its because I found myself a little irritated by something you wrote on your blog. Yes ... it is your blog and depending on your general demeanor you might "blow" me off about ... NOW!

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Still here. Good. Maybe you could consider my thinking and think about it as ...uhm...feedback. I'm not out to be rude. Just explore something of and with YOU.

Its your comments about the Jung's and Cathy.

In kink I deplore every instance of snobbery ... its a MAJOR turn-off. You know the one "my kinks ok ... yours is a sick as S&(*" . You comments about Cathy seem to lean this way, even if you do try to justify them in ways that look like a cheap thin veneer.

Of course what YOU like is ... uhm ... what YOU like. Your basis actually doesn't matter because as you say its your Blog and YOU can like or not like ... whatever. You can be a NAZI or a CLOWN or a GIRL. Its your Blog - on the internet.

SO WHY NOT JUST IDENTIFY WHAT YOU LIKE INSTEAD OF DISSING LOVELY PEOPLE who are just doing THEIR OWN THING just like you want to do YOURS.

All the photos of corset wearers depicted on your site (that I saw) just happen to be PRETTY YOUNG THINGS. EXCEPT for Cathy of course.
Now most youngish men gazing on such pretty young things, dreaming they might be in with half a chance (as they do) would be attracted to these girls - corset or no corset. Cathy IS NOT YOUNG. Lets check back in a decade or two on these pretty young things. What’s this? Corset discarded. Yes boys and girls we see that all the McDonalds consumed whilst young has filled out those stretch fleecy pants she likes to wear whilst comfortably ensconced in front of the TV, corn-dog in hand, whilst the screaming little-ones run about. Poor old Cathy is starting to look OK.
It looks like you are comparing Apples to Aardvarks - or at aged cider.

Yes Cathy is old. Past the big Five O and then some. I respect her even more. She and her husband are old and they are DOING IT. So if you don't like the shape then here's some advice: don't grow old and don't get married. Simply remain a youngish red blooded testosterone charged thing for ever - if you can pull that off that is.

Now something about REAL CORSETS. One of the PYTs you gush over is wearing a corset that is clearly not a well designed REAL corset. Lets see her wear that thing 23/7 for a few months. Ouch. But you like it. This is what counts. You like what you see. Period. Deep man. Really incredibly deep.

That’s enough. Lecture over.

Aarkey said...

Interesting. Anon, I guess I never replied to your comment... but now that I've re-linked to this blog entry and re-read your comment I feel compelled to reply.

First... what blog entry were you reading? I think you are missing the forest for the trees, heck... you're not even talking about the forest or the trees.

It's obvious you had a strong emotional (and misguided) response because I've commented on someone you care about, Ms. Jung. And defending people is definitely not a bad thing. However, you've attributed things to me that I did not say in my blog.

You accuse me of being opposed to the Jung's style because Ms. Jung is not a "pretty young thing" and the fact is, you are flat out wrong. That accusation is simply ignorant. I suspect you are bringing your personal issues to bear with reading my blog entry so significantly that you have missed the point. If you care to, please re-read it objectively. Never once did I mention "age" - not a single time. And yet you rant on and on about it? Apples to Aardvarks indeed!

We are all entitled to our interests and our preferences. And I'm sorry that you felt so insulted that you had to take a dig at me, but I feel it's important enough that I'm free to speak my opinions here (on my blog) that I might sometimes offend people. The point of my entry was two part. While we can all chose to live our lives the way we want to (and I fully support that between consenting adults) that if we are public about our kink, we have a responsibility. The Jung's are not a private couple. They aren't some random person who has a FetLife account. They are, and have chosen to be spokespeople for corsetry. They've had plenty of interviews. And that makes them the right people to talk about.

I made my disclaimer at the start crystal clear - these are just my opinions. There is no right or wrong. I definitely did not mean to attack them as persons. I have heard nothing but wonderful things about them as people (and even said as much in my entry!)

And I guess just like the Jung's - it's fair game to disagree and criticize me for making my remarks, but you are clearly reading and commenting on all kinds of things that simply aren't in the blog entry. I wanted to make a simple point - I think the style of corsets that Ms. Jung wears is unnattractive. I don't think it is flattering. It is the kind of body modification that IMO that loses the asthetic that I prefer. And I think because it's so extreme, it turns people off to the idea of corseting. And that's what the point of my blog entry was. For a couple to have been as dedicated to tight-lacing for as long as they have is an awesome thing. To be as active in the community as they have is an awesome thing. To be a loving and supportive couple is an awesome thing.

But I just don't find the style of corsetting they do to be flattering, or positive for the community. And I'm free to say that. And you are free to disagree with me about it - but that's not what you did... you went on some tangent and talked about Aardvarks. *shrug*